#06: Kylie Spence - on Taylor Swift, Dennis Lloyd, Gazelle, Plant Medicine and her love for the 67' Mustang
Kylie Spence is a youthful singer-songwriter with an old soul from Bozeman, Montana. For Kylie, performing, writing, and composing are means of processing and releasing her thoughts and feelings. At a young age, her creativity began finding an audience at school talent shows, musicals, and eventually open mic nights. After saving up to buy a guitar and then teaching herself to play, she was writing one song a day by the eighth grade. Now having toured internationally, Kylie continues to write about topics beyond her years and has amassed a total of almost five million streams across platforms. Kylie is a true storyteller at heart with an innate gift to pen powerful lyrics and incorporate them into well-crafted, original songs, using her unique voice to do so.
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Killah Cortez: Welcome back to The Killah Cortez Show. The following is an interview with Kylie Spence. Before we start, I have some Killah Cortez news. I just played my last show of 2022 and it was a great night of music. Special thanks to the homies, Mexico City Heartbreak and Vernon West for sharing the stage and to the Highland Park Bowl for hosting the event. I'd like to say a quick thank you to everyone who came out to a show this year, bought some merch or sent me a message to show your support. I see you and I appreciate you. It was a year of growing and building and I can't wait to see what 2023 holds. Thank you. Kylie Spence is an internationally touring singer songwriter hailing from Bozeman, Montana. I've been working with Kylie since she was 15 and we've crafted dozens of songs together and have shared enough laughs for multiple lifetimes. One of my closest friends, I had the honor of backing her up on stage, playing guitar on her 2018 European tour, opening up for Dennis Lloyd. Still only at the age of 21. The sky's the limit for Kylie. You can find the show notes and a full transcription of this episode in the description below. You can also find a link to the Killah Cortez Discord where we chat all things KC, sprinkled in between the segments of this episode or songs from my Songs for the Apocalypse playlist, ten of which were chosen by Kylie. You can find the link for this playlist in the description below. And lastly, you can also find this episode on YouTube. However, it will be without the music between the segments. Without further ado. Enjoy this interview with Kylie Spence.
Killah Cortez: What's one thing people would be surprised to hear about you?
Kylie Spence: Oh. Um. God. I have a short thumb.
Killah Cortez: Damn, you just ruined my short thumb. Question for later in this interview.
Kylie Spence: No way. Stop. Greg, I don't know. It's a hard question. I really like being involved in pretty much every single creative process that surrounds my music. From designing, directing just everything visually. I'm like, a huge sucker for. And I think if I wasn't in music, I would probably want to be. You know, some sort of just creative around music or just in general. I just I love all the visual stuff.
Killah Cortez: So, yeah, I remember when we were working on I think it was like Boomerang EP. Yeah, you were like making the covers like on your phone, right?
Kylie Spence: Yeah, I still do that. I mean, not on my phone anymore. I've upgraded, you know, I've gone a little bit better, but yeah, I remember there was like this app and I would, yeah, like you said, take the photo and like, put like really cheesy font on it and then like, text it around to all my homies and be like, This is so cool. So I've gotten a little bit more professional. I will say, Yeah.
Killah Cortez: Now you got cap cut, now it's a little better.
Kylie Spence: Now I have like Adobe. I'm an adobe girl now.
Killah Cortez: Oh dang. Yeah, that's a serious subscription. It's like ten subscriptions.
Kylie Spence: Yeah, well, it's nice because my mom, you know, since my mom's a photographer, she has her adobe account. And so with Adobe, you get, you get like two. Like you can sign into it from any device and at the same time two people can use it. So like she can use Adobe and I can also use Adobe on my computer. So like I just get to use her account.
Killah Cortez: It's that works out great.
Kylie Spence: It works out perfect. Yeah.
Killah Cortez: What kind of music were you into growing up?
Kylie Spence: I well, it's funny because everyone just assumes that my parents were like really cool music people, which wasn't really the case. My parents didn't. I don't know. My dad, like, played. I think I grew up a lot to like, you know, early 2000s music like boy bands and Coldplay and like All-American Rejects. And just like, I don't know, just that kind of like alt pop rock scene. I loved Coldplay. I remember. I think it was "Viva la Vida". And I heard that song and I didn't know the name of it because I just like, heard it on the radio or something. And I remember. I like. I went to my dad and I was like, Dad, like, what's the song? And I was trying to, like, explain it to him. And he didn't he like, I had no idea what I was talking about, but I remember I got like a little iPod shuffle. It was like that little iPod clip. It was Purple.
Killah Cortez: Oh, yeah, I remember.
Kylie Spence: Then I was down. Yeah. And like, for my birthday every year. And my parents would get me iTunes gift card. So I would like, I would strategize, like, how much money I had. So, like, I could buy these songs. And I remember I was going through the Coldplay discography and I, I like I sampled “Viva La Vida” and I was like, That's the song.
Killah Cortez: That's such a great album.
Kylie Spence: It is such a good album. I love Coldplay. I. I just I don't know. They've evolved in such an awesome way. And I remember when Ghost Stories came out and everyone, like, I think a lot of people had a lot of issues with that record because it was just so different from anything they've ever done. But I listened to it and I was like, This is some of their best work. Like that is just incredible.
Killah Cortez: They get they get a lot of heat. They get a lot of heat. But I when I look at it, I mean, I give them a lot of credit because at least they're trying. And, you know, they could they could totally have mailed it in and just done 20 records like Parachutes.
Kylie Spence: The same thing.
Killah Cortez: And and they've they've kept trying to change with the times, which personally I respect. I mean, that's that's frikin hard. I mean, they've had I mean I'll tell you. So I was around like when when they first came out and at the time I, I didn't think that they were going to be the band that stuck around for that long. Yeah. And they're still around. I mean, they're like the U2 of our modern time. I mean, I think, yeah, I arguably don't get mad at me Gen X, but they're like, bigger than U2. I think in Scope
Kylie Spence: I do, too. They're amazing.
Killah Cortez: What's your like favorite guilty pleasure artist that you would never admit but you'll admit here on the show.
Kylie Spence: I mean, like I'm a proud Swifty. Like, I don't think Taylor is like any.
Killah Cortez: There's nothing guilty about that.
Kylie Spence: Nothing guilty about that. Let me think. Um. Oh, God. There's an artist. His name's Quadeca, and I found him through an old friend in, like, 2019. And I am a huge fan of his music. I don't know. It's just I think he's. I think he's a true artist.
Killah Cortez: Cool. What's a recommended first song to listen to?
Kylie Spence: I. Ooh. Well, he he's releasing a new album I think this Friday or like next Friday. I really like the song Lemon Tree. His latest record from last year is really good. What's that song called? There's a song called. Sisyphus. I think that's how you say it.
Killah Cortez: Yeah, You're like the you're like the fifth person in the past year to tell me, Quadeca.
Kylie Spence: Really?
Killah Cortez: Yeah. That's cool. Wait, that means I got to check it out. That means I got check.
Kylie Spence: No, you do. Because when I first listened, it was kind of like a joke. Like, he's a really fast rapper. Yeah, And so as a joke, I don't. I mean, you know me pretty well. Like, my parents would always joke, like, Oh, Kylie should have been a rapper and, like, a second life, because I just. I talk fast and I can rap pretty fast sometimes, which that's actually something people might be surprised to hear about me. But yeah, that one.
Killah Cortez: When's that mix tape dropping?
Kylie Spence: No. Like, do you remember when we would we like low key were considering like making like a Mac Miller type record and like me rapping. I'm not saying I'm never going to do it.
Killah Cortez: It's still there. It's still there. if you want to re-visit it.
Kylie Spence: For sure. But I think he's he's really cool. I actually saw him in an elevator once in LA, and I was too too much of a chicken to say hi because I wasn't sure if it was him or not. But it was him. I found out later. But yeah, I don't know. His music just really resonates with me and I. I listened to him and I know that what he's doing is authentic to him. I feel like there's a lot of artists out there that I listen to and there's just. There's almost like a blockage. And I'm like, Oh, like, that's really cool. But it doesn't really hit home to me, the listener. And I feel like the way you're singing it doesn't hit home to you either. Yeah, it just feels like there's a disconnect or something. So I admire him for that.
Killah Cortez: Yeah, that's cool. I'll check that out.
Kylie Spence: Yeah, you should.
Killah Cortez: New Taylor Swift record. How you feeling?
Kylie Spence: Okay. I'm so glad you brought her up, because obviously, I could talk about Taylor Swift all day. I I'm going to be honest. Like, first. Listen, I. I guess I was expecting more of, like, an alt rock indie record just based on, like, coming out of folklore and evermore. I was kind of anticipating, like, okay, you know, and then like also talking to other Swifties out there, we all like, had our hunches and we.
Killah Cortez: Swiftly read.
Kylie Spence: It. Yeah, and like the Easter eggs were pointing to like an indie record, like indie alt rock. So I was expecting it to be a little more lo-fi. Not to say that it's not lo fi, it's just like it's very like electric pop, which is cool. Like it's a great record. There are some songs on there. I really like the bonus tracks, like the the 3 a.m. version or whatever.
Killah Cortez: Yeah.
Kylie Spence: I mean, that song Karma, like when it came out, like ask anyone in my homies, like I was like speaking the lyrics, like I was in like a poetry stand up thing. I was like, Karma is my boyfriend. Karma is a god. Like, I was saying it religiously. So there's a couple of like, awesome tracks. Definitely not when I was expecting, but it's growing on me and I feel like Taylor has. She holds so much power over anyone. Like she could put out a terrible record and I'd still listen to it, you know what I mean? Like, it's just she's just so good at what she does and she has such an awesome fan base. And yeah, so I personally, I think my favorite record of hers is folklore. I just at the time in my life when that came out, like. It's like she read my mind. Like it's exactly what I needed to hear. And yeah, I just. I love that album, but I like it a lot. It's really good. Not what I was expecting, but I listened to it like, I'll get in the car and put it on. So that says something, you know?
Killah Cortez: So that's cool. I mean, that goes also to show like the artistry, like she's. You know, maybe that's intentional to lead you down this. And then she's like, We're going left.
Kylie Spence: Here, JK.
Killah Cortez: Just kidding.
Kylie Spence: What did you think?
Killah Cortez: I haven't heard it yet. So, like, I have like a very with new music, I have a very touchy thing where, like, I like to wait for all opinions and hype to go away. I don't want to hear it. And I just like to hear. I like to hear with my own. Just from my own devices.
Kylie Spence: Yeah.
Killah Cortez: So, yeah, I'm going to take a drive. I'm gonna take a drive at some point here and I want to listen to.
Kylie Spence: Yeah, you have to drive to Montana.
Killah Cortez: Listen to. Yeah, I know. Right. That's so that's, that's. I listen to the whole Taylor catalog driving up to Montana. Damn. Yeah. That was when, like, I was getting. I was like, prepping for stuff we were going to do and I went from, like, album one all the way on. It was sick.
Kylie Spence: Yeah, I know. She's I mean, I feel like Taylor
Killah Cortez: I got pulled over to Taylor Swift.
Kylie Spence: That's I mean, that's honestly something to be proud of. I'd be proud of that. Be like, yeah, I'm driving so aggressively because Miss Swift.Here is making me.
Killah Cortez: So. Yeah, so far, so far, I still I'm still a big fan of reputation. That's that's my.
Kylie Spence: Love.
Killah Cortez: But I love folklore too.
Kylie Spence: Well i remember you came out when that came out.
Killah Cortez: Yeah, exactly right. Yeah. Reputation. I just have fond memories.
Kylie Spence: Yes, That was her standout album, too. I feel like when that came out, everyone was like, What the heck is going on? Yeah, but that's I mean, I respected that because it's the same thing with Coldplay. When they put out ghost stories, everyone was like with a Chris Martin. What? Like they were like, What is happening, dude?
Killah Cortez: I think we saw a car flip over to reputation.
Kylie Spence: we did we? Did reputation. God driving. We were driving. Oh, my God. So great, great. Came out. This is I think it was 2018. Yeah, 20. Yeah. No, it's 2017. I remember. It was a long time ago. Yeah. And we were driving a canyon, basically where I live in Montana. It's there's like one road that connects.
Killah Cortez: One road with giant mountains on either side.
Kylie Spence: Yeah. It's, it's a, it's actually one of the most dangerous roads in Montana I think in the country. And I.
Killah Cortez: Didn't know that at the.
Kylie Spence: Time. Yeah, it's okay. We don't tell people that. But we were driving this road to get to the studio. I think we're like mixing that day and listening to reputation in my jeep and then this car, like, flipped over. It hit ice and it just flipped.
Killah Cortez: It was like swerving. It started swerving and.
Kylie Spence: Oh, my God, so scary was crazy. Yeah, I still remember that every time I drive by that spot, I always slow down a little bit just because I'm like.
Killah Cortez: Oh, it must have been like black ice or something. And there was like, zero service.
Kylie Spence: It's crazy. I mean, there's no service in that canyon. So like, I was freaking out. I was like, I think I was a little too freaked out. Like my adrenaline was kicking so hard. So I got out of my car and it was like waving cars down, like, call the police, like, fun. And they, like, got out of the car fine. Like no one was injured terribly.
Killah Cortez: Yeah, we pulled over. Right. I remember.
Kylie Spence: Yeah, we pulled over. You got the guy out of the car? Yeah, that was a little crazy. Crazy?
Killah Cortez: Oh, man.
Killah Cortez: So you've been able to do some amazing things in your short career. What have been some of the highlights?
Kylie Spence: I mean, obviously touring with you. That was I mean, I don't know. I look back at that and. Not to say that I wasn't grateful for it then because I was like I was so. I remember feeling just like, Oh my God. Like what? This is freaking awesome. Like the fact that I get to do this with you being one of my best friends. And then my mom was just, like, so much fun, you know? But I look back and I'm like, I wish, you know, a 17 year old because the day I landed in Germany, I was 17, turned 17. Yeah, it was my birthday. But I remember looking back now and I'm like, I wish I. No, I took it all in. But I wish I knew that like that. The way that that happened for me felt so seamless because now I'm like, Oh my God. Like, I would give an arm and a leg to have an opportunity like that come up again so effortlessly. So I think the tour, I mean, that was just I really feel like I, I got to grow a lot on that and just, just, I don't know, being on stage in that way is such a high for me. Yeah. I just. I really feel. So authentic up there.
Killah Cortez: And it's such it's such a different feeling. Like, I've I've played a million small shows. I've played a million like shows, to just no people. Yeah, but there's nothing like playing to a packed like thousand 2000 people is crazy.
Kylie Spence: Yeah, it's so gratifying and just, I mean, yeah, because I do like, you know, I played the bars weekly here in Montana, which I love. I'm grateful for the opportunity, you know, don't want to be doing that forever, but it's like I have those shows and then I'm like, Oh my God, I wish I could be on a stage where people actually give a crap about me, you know what I mean? Because it's, it's different. But yeah, I think the tour that was such a highlight for me, I mean, honestly, like not to hype you up, Greg, just because I'm talking to you, but like, just working with you has been so nice because I feel like it's rare. Like, I don't know. I've met so many different people in the industry and, you know, I've had ups and downs with, you know, different people and like that. That can be hard. But the fact that you were one of the first people I met in the industry and like I still talk to you says something about you. And I think I don't know. I have so many memories of like when I moved to Montana, like you would come up and we'd just like, hunker down for a week and, like, work on music and, like, laugh a crap ton. And I feel like that that process is just as much a reason why I do music. I love that process of getting to sit down with someone you know and create, just have fun. It's just so much fun for me. So I think that and then, yeah, I mean, I've when I went to Europe and then I went to Israel to tour, like that was just. You know, I got to see some really cool places, places that I probably wouldn't have gone to otherwise. So I'm grateful for that.
Killah Cortez: Same here. It was such an experience out there. Touring with you, such an experience like going out and writing with you and stuff. Like those are some of my fondest memories.
Killah Cortez: So on the tour you were opening up for Dennis Lloyd. And at the time, like he was, he was I think he was big in Europe, but he wasn't big out here yet. And I. I have my opinions on like what I gleaned from that whole situation. But I'm interested in hearing yours and like, what you learned from him and like what you thought, what you were thinking after seeing that whole thing. Right? Because that was pretty much your first time seeing a pro production up front.
Kylie Spence: Like thing. Yeah, Yeah. I mean, totally. I think, I think even just talking to Dennis, shout out to Dennis if you're listening. But like I think the thing I took away from just getting to talk with him is that it is possible to do that independently because at the time he was independent, you know, and he was selling out 400 cap rooms, which, you know, like you do that, you know, I'm independent and it's like you do that and you're like, is it ever possible to do that? And I think he, you know, showed me that it is possible. It is possible to have a fan base that's willing to commit to a night of live music for someone that they look up to. So, yeah, I mean, he he taught me that. And then just his whole team around him and his bandmates and just, you know, his authenticity and just getting to talk to him and like, just the way he, you know, his stage presence, the way he communicates, what his art means to him, just very authentic. So yeah, yeah, definitely.
Killah Cortez: I remember I remember when we played Berlin, he had like, all of Warner Brothers fly in.
Kylie Spence: Yeah, I.
Killah Cortez: Remember.
Kylie Spence: Like, I didn't know, I think until after.
Killah Cortez: Right, Right after the fact. We learned that. And then and then I remember like, I remember hearing like from him or his team or whatever that they were like, No, we didn't sign. It's like, why? Why would we sign? Like we just sell out.
Kylie Spence: Like we just sold out a show.
Killah Cortez: We just sold.
Kylie Spence: Out this show, a song that's going crazy on Spotify. Like, why would I give that away?
Killah Cortez: Yeah, And I think that's really valuable for like independent artists right now that are trying to do their thing. Like, yeah, you know, if you can build the leverage, like you don't need a label because essentially, like, I know what he's done and I know a lot of artists that have done the same thing where they basically take parts of what a label does and they assemble their team to basically become their own label, their own team.
Kylie Spence: Yeah, Yeah.
Killah Cortez: And I, I have mad respect for that.
Kylie Spence: Me too. It's, I mean, it's hard. Like, it's. It's a tough industry to be in and.
Killah Cortez: It's tough, but amazing things kind of happen. And they've even have you know, they've happened to you.
Kylie Spence: Yes. And I mean, that's what it showed me. That whole tour showed me that. I mean, granted, I got really lucky. Like, that opportunity came up for me and. I worked for it, but it kind of fell into my lap where I wasn't grinding. You know what I mean? Like, I wasn't like, Oh, my God. It just it happened. And it was amazing and brilliant, you know? So that just shows that like, hey, stuff can happen. I think yeah, I think that's kind of what it showed me, which was super special. So.
Killah Cortez: What is your songwriting process like these days?
Kylie Spence: Bro, it's all over the place. I mean, I, I definitely struggled for a while because I remember when I first started discovering the world of songwriting, I would get home from school and just go into the garage and write like 2 to 3 songs a day. And granted, they were terrible, but like, I would just I was a machine. Like, I was just writing so much. And I think over the years, obviously that's changed. But I think for a while, like, I would kind of beat myself up because I wasn't writing a song a day. And so I was like, What's wrong with me? Like I'm a terrible songwriter. Like, you know what, yadda, yadda, just harping on myself. But I feel like the process for me now is really. I. I. Okay. This is going to sound weird, but, like, I know when I need to write something and I know when I don't. And I have tried to sit down and force songs out when they're not supposed to happen, and it never ends up feeling truly authentic to me. So I just kind of have to respect that and just be like, Hey, if you know, I'll sit down and write a really good song when it needs to come out.
Kylie Spence: And I feel like I do that for myself personally, like it just, you know, it's like therapy sometimes. And some of the best songs I've written have been when I'm going through something where I need like I almost need to hear myself sing it in order to know that, like, this is authentic. Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, I there are days when I like there are weeks when I write a lot, and then there are weeks where I'm like, preoccupied with just life and I'm like, I don't really have the mental capacity to, like, sit down and try to write a song right now. But I'd say I'm always I mean, I have a notes app, the notes app on my phone, like it's just filled with like one liners and titles and like poetry. And I just I'm I'm writing and thinking every day. But it's a matter of like when I actually sit down to form the song that, you know, that kind of ebbs and flows.
Killah Cortez: So that's cool. I like that. Yeah, I just did a so what I do is I, I have voice memos and like actually happens a lot when I'm like, I'm waiting for something like I'm in line or something and I'll just like singing.
Kylie Spence: I'm driving.
Killah Cortez: Yeah. Or I'll like, play a little guitar part. And I just have I've had like a trillion of these ideas for about a year, and they've just been piling up in the notes. So I finally just organize it. I'm like, All right, we're going to write some of these. We'll see what happens.
Kylie Spence: Yeah, I need to do that. I need to go back and yeah, because a lot of my ideas come to me when I'm driving. I don't know why I'm always in the car driving and I'm always like, Kylie, get off your phone. Like, This is not the time. So that's something I wish was different.
Killah Cortez: But I had one. I had one on the beach and I'm like, You can faintly hear me singing, and you just hear like, Hey, just just wind. I was like, Damn, that one didn't work.
Kylie Spence: Like, I miss that. That's so funny.
Killah Cortez: I was like, That was the best one.
Killah Cortez: So I want to read a quote.
Kylie Spence: Yeah.
Killah Cortez: Epidicus Says "The soul is like a bowl of water. And our impressions are like the ray of light falling upon the water. And when the water is troubled, it appears that the light itself is moved, too. But it isn't. So when a person loses their composure, it isn't their skills and virtues that are troubled. But the spirit in which they exist. And when that spirit calms down, so do those things.". And this quote made me think of Gazelle, which is your new song that just came out. Why don't you give our audience the back story on Gazelle and a little bit of the creation of it?
Kylie Spence: Totally. So love that quote, by the way. So Gazelle is a really special song to me. I mean, long story short, I who I was, I think I was about to turn 18. It was like, yeah, I was 17. I was driving home from school one day and there was a song that came on and. It just. I don't know. I don't know what it did, but it brought back all these memories from my childhood in a really weird way. And I remember just having all these. Like flashbacks come up over that next day and a half. And I was like, What the heck? And I started piecing things together and it just all made sense. Like it all kind of. It was like a puzzle piece where one piece was missing and all those memories coming back to me was like that one piece and everything just made sense so much from my childhood. Made sense So much of the reason I would react certain way to things made sense. So much of my own personal issues just made sense. And so I remember. Basically, I remembered a childhood trauma that I went through for four years and it was something that I didn't remember before. So it was all of a sudden like, Oh yeah, everything's fine living my life. I'm in high school to like, whoa, I went through. A lot that I didn't remember going through as a child. And it makes sense. And so I've been in therapy since I was ten for other stuff.
Kylie Spence: But I remember I told my parents about it and started going back to therapy. And. At the time, the therapist that I was seeing, it was the first time where I actually, like started doing real work. Like I actually faced the the problem and the fears and it was really scary. And for for a while I remember, you know, I would go into these sessions and we did hypnotherapy for a while and just a lot more stuff was coming back to me than I wanted to. A lot more graphic detail and just stuff that's hard to to think and talk about.
Killah Cortez: Yeah.
Kylie Spence: And I remember. I think this was around. I was living in L.A. It was 2019, and I just. I have never felt. So trapped in my own body and so anxious and just terrified, honestly. For no reason. I think it was literally just the fact that I was reliving what I went through as a kid and feeling the feelings happen all over again. It was really traumatic and scary and. Um. Basically I, I mean, I would be at dinner with my family, like, super feeling super safe, you know, at dinner and just start shaking and bawling like it was to the point where it was getting. Uncontrollable and I didn't know when it was going to come up. And it was something where I, I was like, I don't even want to go out of my house because I don't know if I'm going to have a panic attack.
Kylie Spence: Yeah, it was just very like like it didn't make sense why it was happening. I didn't I didn't understand my triggers. I was concerned and confused as to why it was happening when I felt the safest around my family. It was just like, you know, it was so much. It was just a lot. And so I, I talked to my therapist about it one day and I was just like, you know, I don't know what to do. And, um. Just a lot was happening. And she basically told me about gazelles and she told me a story or not a story. It's just kind of what happens to gazelles. But when they're, you know, in the wild being hunted by like a cheetah, for example, obviously the cheetah is going to outrun them. And the gazelles will basically, like go into freeze mode, which is what I was experiencing, where they they kind of just like they basically, like, faint. Like they'll basically just like, become frozen. And and then the cheetah will take the gazelle away and keep hunting, but it won't kill the gazelle right then and there. It'll just take it back because it thinks it's dead, because it's frozen, it's unconscious, basically. And then she told me that once the gazelle realizes that the cheetah is still out hunting, it'll come too. And it's able to live that way. And I just.
Killah Cortez: Oh, to run Away,
Kylie Spence: Yeah. To run away and escape. And I just. I thought it was really cool. I was like, Damn, if a gazelle could do that. I can do that too.
Killah Cortez: Yeah.
Kylie Spence: And it just, it gave me a different perspective on what I was internally, like battling. And I mean, when I wrote the song, like I had the chorus kind of come up in my head prior to like sitting down in the session with you and finishing it. But it was all about the trauma responses like Fight Flight. All I really heard growing up was, Oh, like, do you fight or flight? And I was experiencing freeze where I would just lock up, couldn't move, could barely. I can barely. When I go into freeze, like I can barely make eye contact with people. I cannot speak for the life of me. Like I cannot get words out. And it's a terrible feeling and it's a feeling that a lot of people go through. And it's it's I feel like it's not talked about enough. You know, anxiety obviously is recognized, but just the feeling of like. Literally not being able to control is terrifying.
Killah Cortez: Yeah.
Kylie Spence: And so she told me about Gazelle and then. When we wrote it together. I remember, you know, just sharing with you and opening up about what I was going through and why. And we wrote the song pretty quickly. But yeah, that was in 2019. And we've I mean, we've had this song done for a long time, and it's for the reason I didn't put it out personally is because I feel like I needed to. I feel like for myself, if I were to, like, release a song about, like crippling anxiety and still be suffering with that, it just wouldn't make sense. So I feel like for myself, I needed to really do a lot of work on myself and overcome what I was feeling and dealing with in order to talk about it in a way that obviously, like still hits home. But I'm not like, terrified anymore. Yeah. So, yeah, that's kind of where Gazelle came from. And I just, I don't know, Gazelles are pretty cool.
Killah Cortez: Yeah, I, I have vague, vague memories of our session on it, but I do remember feeling like it was one of our most maybe the most emotional session we've ever had. Where I remember, like, like we were making art, but it was also kind of like we're just emoting. Yeah. And yeah, I'm. I'm glad that that period is hopefully like. Over for you. Or if not, at least it's mitigated.
Kylie Spence: Yeah, it is, though. I think that's the beautiful thing. And I think that's why I subconsciously waited. I wasn't thinking about when am I going to put the song out? It just where I'm at in my life now. It makes sense. And I did a lot of work on myself in the last year because I haven't released anything in any year. And it's kind of weird as an artist, honestly. But I. I've done a lot of work on myself, a lot of growing and a lot of healing. You know, with other people, with, you know, just really just looking at the hard facts. And it's hard to do that. It's hard to look in the mirror and realize that it's a choice. It really is a choice to decide. How you're going to move on from this? Yeah. Because for a while and I you know, when I was stuck in that. Freeze mode every day. If someone were to come to me and be like, It's a choice, I would have been like, Shut up. Like, you know what I mean? But it really is a choice. And it took me a while to realize that. And yeah, I don't know. I just I'm in a completely different place than I was three years ago when we wrote it. And I think the fact that the song still I still want to release it, I think that to me is really important just because it's been so long. So.
Killah Cortez: To what you've been saying. You've been getting very spiritual over the past year or so, maybe two years. And I know I know you've been to a few retreats. Tell me about that experience and how has it been and how has it benefited you?
Kylie Spence: It's been amazing. And something like, I just want to start off by saying something I never thought I would do, especially in terms of using plant medicine. I never you know, and I've never talked about this before publicly, but like, I never thought that would be. A route, I was going to go down, if that makes sense. So I did my first guided spiritual journey last year after I went on tour in California. And. It was all of the things. It was terrifying. But also I got exactly what I needed to get out of that. And I feel like that's. I mean. You know, doing plant medicine in a way that is designed to you know, it's not like I was just taking medicine to to feel things. You know, I was sitting down with intentions and, you know, doing it guided so doing it with someone who's able to push you, you know, is I think is really important. And I would never you know, I would never recommend doing that in a way that's not. For the right reasons. I think you really have to be doing it for the right reasons, which I was. I you know, I was still going through a lot of this anxiety and I had another trauma happen, you know, after I wrote Gazelle, which is so funny.And so it was just there was I was just dealing with a lot. And yeah, I mean, the spiritual side of things have really helped me. And I feel like they've shifted my art a lot to. But yeah, I. I'm grateful for it. That's all I'll say, like I. I really think. Doing that. Has shifted my mindset on everything.
Killah Cortez: Yeah.
Kylie Spence: You know, I've become more mindful, more intentional. I speak better. I hold myself. More authentically and just I don't know how to explain it. I just it really changed. It just changed my outlook on so many things and it changed. It really did change my outlook on anxiety. And I think that's why, you know, I've wanted to wait just because I still had, you know, and I still have anxiety, Don't get me wrong, I'm not like, oh, I don't have anxiety. Like, I still have anxiety talking about this. You know, my body tenses up a little bit. But I before I would have just shut down. And I think that's that's why, you know, I look back, especially in the last year when I started doing all of that, and I just I'm grateful for it and. It's yeah, it's just changed a lot for me in my life. So.
Killah Cortez: Yeah, I don't think it's anything that needs to be said under anyone's breath because I think I think it's going through a massive revolution in society, like it's getting more widely accepted. The previous podcast that band Midtown the singer, he he goes on ayahuasca journeys and I think.
Kylie Spence: I listened to that one.
Killah Cortez: Yeah yeah. And and you know the thing is is like I've I've met so many people who've gone down a similar journey and like, even like all the research they're doing with the psilocybin and how, how basically it like recreates new pathways to treat.
Kylie Spence: It re-wires your neuro pathways.
Killah Cortez: It's yeah,
Kylie Spence: It's genius. I mean it's literally and you know, there is some stigma around it still which is a shame but I agree like it's it's changing and it's going into a direction where it's going to be more widely accessible.
Killah Cortez: And what's interesting and I don't know if you ever read any Tony Robbins, but he I think it's "Awaken the Giant Within". He's got a whole thing about how to, like rewire your brain. So his whole thing is like anything you do, whether it's a good habit or a bad habit, it's like a superhighway of neurons that you've connected. So anything you're good at, it's a super neuron superhighway of neurons. And so his way of doing it is like, if you want to get rid of a bad habit is you start doing like the good version of that to reprogram the neurons in your brain. But what the psilocybin does is it basically it, it, it, it makes it a little easier for you to do that, especially with anxiety, because that's that's kind of is what anxiety is, is it's your brain has created these pathways that causes stress inside your body. Yes. And and and it just keeps going to that pathway because it's like it's like a trail and a hiking trail.
Kylie Spence: And it's all it knows.
Killah Cortez: The psilocybin opens it up. So I yeah, I, I have a couple of guests in the future that I think are going to speak a little more on that. But I, I think it's certainly interesting and I think it's promising. You know, I think I think our society is especially like. Everybodies stressed everybody needs some kind of break.
Kylie Spence: everyone struggles, you.
Killah Cortez: Kand and it's such a huge problem for health. You know, I don't think people realize how much how much the stress is killing them.
Kylie Spence: Yeah. I mean, yeah, I, I. I give so much of the reason why. I mean, I remember the first the first time I journeyed with medicine with a shaman, I. I remember. This is going to sound so stupid, but I remember like flying back home from Oregon, where I did it. And I was I just felt so much lighter. I felt. Like I hadn't been able to access my inner child and like peer happiness and just like I hadn't been able to access that because I was always on guard against something. And I remember like sitting on the airplane in, like, low key, like humming and singing the song I was listening to and just not giving a shit whether or not people like were like, What is she doing? Like, I just didn't care. It just took the the fear of judgment away. And I think too, I was able to really helped with my my journey of self love, which has always been so hard for everyone. It's it's such a tough thing. And I that really, you know, was I think the first the first time I remember I did that. And I just I had love for myself in a way that I've never experienced before. And knowing that I'm the only person to give that to me because expecting someone else to to give you I mean, the level I felt was so profound, you know what I mean? Mm hmm. So it just. Yeah, I'm glad we're talking about that because it's, you know, I haven't talked about it, but it's a huge part of my life now. And I just yeah, I mean, doing it with the right intention for the right reasons is it can be so healing.
Killah Cortez: So let's get to a very, very serious question here.
Kylie Spence: I feel like it's not going to be serious.
Killah Cortez: It's very serious. You underestimate this question. Are 66 Mustang's still the dream car?
Kylie Spence: Of course. Yeah, 100%, I told myself. I mean, it's so funny because I wanted one so badly when I was in high school.
Killah Cortez: Yeah, You wanted that since you were, like, 15, right?
Kylie Spence: Since. No, like, since I was, like, nine.
Killah Cortez: Wow.
Kylie Spence: Like, I remember my dream was to get, like, the little stuffed. Dominoes and like, hang them around my my rear view mirror. That was my dream. Still is. But I told myself I was convinced. I don't know why I had this hunch either, but I was convinced that for my 16th birthday my parents were going to get me like an old Mustang. I was just convinced. And I remember right. I remember like walking outside that morning being like, "There's no Mustang?!? Like what?" My dad was like, No, like, you're going to buy that one day because it's going to mean so much more to you.
Killah Cortez: Yeah.
Kylie Spence: So I'm not there yet. I mean, I could it's just like, I don't I don't have the means to right now, but that is still the dream. And I know one day that, like, I'm going to get exactly the one I want and I'm just going to it's going to feel so much better than just, you know, I'm going to like, know that I worked for it. I told myself as soon as I can afford to, like, have fun spending money from my music, that will be the first big purchase I buy. So, yes, very much so. 67 or 69. Yeah.
Killah Cortez: All right. Did I tell you I had a best friend that his dad got him a shell like the shell of one. And then they built it for like, I think it was like three years. They built this thing right here building it. And I think the aim was to have it ready for his 18th birthday and had it ready. And they took it out the lot and drove it down the street. And then the brakes went out and the car just crashed right into the wall.
Kylie Spence: Stop. It's so sad.
Killah Cortez: It's so messed up.
Kylie Spence: That's so sad, actually.
Killah Cortez: Yeah. I don't know what they did. I don't know what they did, but I remember that pretty vividly. When you think of the word successful. Who's the first person who comes to mind and why?
Kylie Spence: Two people, Taylor Swift and my dad. I've always looked up to my dad like, we just have a really I'm grateful that we're able to have the relationship we do. And don't get me wrong, like it's, you know, it's hard sometimes. Like family is always hard. It's always going to be hard. It's never going to be perfect. But I look up to my dad because of his. He just has so much work ethic and just I don't know, he's he kind of like showed me that if you want things, you have to work for them. And for a long time I just kind of thought like the law of Attraction will just work. And I'm like, No, you actually have to, like, make moves in order for things to come to you in your life.
Killah Cortez: Yeah.
Kylie Spence: So, yeah, but my dad and then Taylor Swift, I just she's so she's so strategic and I mean that in, like, the best way. Like, I feel like sometimes people are like, Oh, that's too strategic. Like, I mean, not in, like, a good way. Like she. I mean, the fact that she, like, hints at things like years before they come out, like, I'm just like, I don't even have the brain capacity to like, like, you know, I need a team to do that like that. It's just she's so cool.
Killah Cortez: She's playing 4D chess.
Kylie Spence: Yeah, she's just she's on a different level. And I just. I look up to her because she's a really successful female who surrounds herself with really successful females, and that's really empowering. So yeah, I would say those two people come to mind off the top of my head.
Killah Cortez: That's cool. Yeah, you're yeah, your pops is definitely like he's the one who showed me the Stoics, which is why I read that that quote and that that was a pretty life changing thing for me with kind of like what you were saying about, like, yeah, a law of attraction partially works, but you still need to be the fire that fuels that attraction. You can't just be like, Come to me.
Kylie Spence: Be like.
Killah Cortez: Me.
Kylie Spence: But that's what I was doing for a while. I, like, didn't understand that.
Killah Cortez: But yeah, I'm waiting.
Kylie Spence: I'm waiting. Like, when's all the success going to come into my life? No, sweetie, it doesn't work like that. I wish it did.
Killah Cortez: So you're one of the most introverted extroverts that I know. How do you balance those personality qualities in yourself, and what do you think pulls out the extrovert in you? And like, when do you think the introvert chimes in and says, like, okay, it's my turn?
Kylie Spence: Well, I will say like, I feel like a lot of that shifted since I started being more spiritual and journeying with medicine last year because now I feel like. I'm I think the reason I was an introverted extrovert previously was because, like, I would have anxiety in certain situations, so then I would just become introverted. You know, and then if I was around the right people and I felt safe in my body, like I would just become an extrovert because, you know me, I'm like goofy as Heck.
Killah Cortez: Yah totally.
Kylie Spence: If I'm like, yeah, like if I'm comfortable around you, like, I'm just freaking weird. Like, I am so weird. Like, I'm just a weird person. And so I think now it's shifted because I just feel more comfortable and I just feel more comfortable being like completely myself. And if people are like, weirded out or offended by that, then I'm like, okay, they're not the right people for me.
Killah Cortez: Totally.
Kylie Spence: who cares? Like, it's not that deep. Move on from it, you know what I mean?
Killah Cortez: So you're comfortable in your skin and you don't.
Kylie Spence: You don't care what I don't care.
Killah Cortez: I literally don't say whatever.
Kylie Spence: Who cares? I don't give a crap anymore. And I think it's taken me a long time to get to that. But I don't I'm just kind of like, whatever. And I mean, there are days when I'm like, Oh, like I feel more self conscious, you know? And I don't think, you know, that's not to say that I'm like 100% in love with myself, but I think there's a difference between like, I wish I had this and just there's a difference between that and having grace with yourself and being like. I love and accept who I am now. And I love how who I am or on other people. But I can still work towards being the best version of myself, if that makes sense for sure.
Killah Cortez: Yeah, and I think there's a distinction there too, where it's like you can be 100% comfortable with yourself and not not care with anyone things, but also be mindful of of other people.
Kylie Spence: Of other people. Exactly.
Killah Cortez: Yeah.
Kylie Spence: Which I am. It's not to say that I'm don't get the wrong idea. I'm not like out there like, you know, just a complete like, weirdo. But I just, I kind of don't care if the wrong if the wrong people will. I guess the wrong people for.
Killah Cortez: Me will.
Kylie Spence: Have their opinions on things, which is fine, everyone. I mean.
Killah Cortez: I feel like anybody who's negative or anything like that.
Kylie Spence: Yeah, it's like I don't want I don't want that. Like that's for someone else.
Killah Cortez: Like, yeah.
Kylie Spence: I don't know.
Killah Cortez: It's or they're also just they're on their own journey and that's cool. Like, our journeys aren't aligning right now and that's okay.
Kylie Spence: And that's okay. I've had yeah. And it's, I think that, I mean, what you just said right, there are journeys aren't aligning right now That is such, that is so like the way you said that was perfect because I've had to I mean, I've had to remove people from my life because I'm like, Hey, you know, love and respect you. This isn't working right now. We're not in alignment. And that's okay. Like, we don't have to be like, you know what I mean? So it's I think that's you said it perfectly.
Killah Cortez: What obsessions do you explore on the evenings and weekends?
Kylie Spence: Obsessions?
Killah Cortez: Yeah. Like, besides. Like what? What are like, hobbies? What obsessions? I mean.
Kylie Spence: Oh, my God.
Killah Cortez: This question is not aligning with me right now, so.
Kylie Spence: I'm going to have to remove myself from the situation anyways, I think. Well, first of all, my life in the last couple of months has been very I've basically been like hopping around place to place. I am doing some remodeling on my living place, but it's not done. So I've been. Staying with friends, have been traveling a lot and then just staying at my parents house. So I've been living out of a suitcase for a while. So I think generally if I'm in like a setting, that's my setting and I have my stuff. I mean, I love I just love art. So, you know, drawing, painting, I really want to get back into painting. Obviously music, but I think besides music, I really want to pick up reading again. I haven't been the best at that. I need to. I've been way like I've been on my phone way too much.
Killah Cortez: Tik tok, man. Tik tok.
Kylie Spence: It's addicting. I really do. It's so. It's so good, but it's so bad. It's one of those things where, like, I it's starting to become unhealthy, and I'm well aware of that. I just need to be like Kylie, Like, just delete it. Like it's I spend a lot of time on there. I like cooking and baking. I don't know, I, I like hanging out with my friends to like.
Killah Cortez: Yeah.
Kylie Spence: Well, also like, you know, finally being 21, you know, I'm able to go out and not be so, like, paranoid of like, oh my God, my, my fake ID is not going to work. So, yeah, it's been fun to just, you know, meet new people. And I think the summer I really challenged myself, I went through a breakup, like, right, right when summer started and I was so scared, I was like, Oh, my God.
Killah Cortez: It's an ideal time for a breakup, though.
Kylie Spence: Well, I think I was more nervous because I wasn't you know, I didn't really make too much of an effort to, like, surround myself with with other people. And so I was very nervous about being like, oh my God, I'm not going to have a fun summer. But I told myself as soon as as soon as I did that, I was like, You know what? I am putting myself out there. I'm going to go to things, I'm going to try to meet new people. And I feel like so much of it is just faking it till you make it. Like just I don't know. It's it's not that deep. That's that's something I always come back to. I'm like, it's really not that deep, you know?
Killah Cortez: I feel like that's what that's what your mom's really good at. Your mom is really good. I just like she.
Kylie Spence: My mom's an airhead. She's just all over the place.
Killah Cortez: She, you know. Yeah, she's really extroverted. I feel like. I feel like that's if you need to learn anything from that. She's the one. You know.
Kylie Spence: My parents are complete opposites. Like, you know, like, you know my parents pretty well, so it's. It's funny getting to see them together.
Killah Cortez: Do you think your artistic, like your love for art and like painting and things, do you think that comes from, like, your mom's skills because she's like a photographer?
Kylie Spence: Yeah. I mean, I think even just growing up. With an artist in the house. There was always. Art, you know? Yeah. So, yeah, I think it's cool to just to see her evolve and, you know, she's she's changing like her medium styles right now. And it's like, you know, just getting to, like, watch her, like, almost rediscover, like, her passion. I don't know, it's really special. But yeah, I think growing up, like, there was always art and like, we took our classes for a while. My mom and I took, like, a college community college, like drawing class, which was so fun because, you know, it was like a bunch of I was in high school at the time and it was a bunch of like college kids. And then it was like my mom and I like in this class, which was fun. But yeah.
Killah Cortez: That's cool. Yeah, I think one of my favorite covers still is the river cover with the horse.
Kylie Spence: she Took it.
Killah Cortez: That's like the sickest cover. I mean, the other ones, like, I like the garden cover a lot, too. You took that one, right? But I like.
Kylie Spence: No, she took that. Well, we both like we lit a rose on fire and so she took it.
Killah Cortez: But that one doesn't even look real. It looks like Cgi, It looks crazy.
Kylie Spence: Yeah, but she takes all like she the gazelle cover art she photographed. And then I had to do like, a bunch of editing to make it look because it was just in a studio. So, you know, the raw photo was, like, weird. But yeah, she she knows she's a huge part of my whole creative process, especially being independent. I'm like, Hey, mom, like, I mean, the worst little dancing music video. Like, we literally, like, filmed that in a garage. And granted, it's not the best thing ever, but it's pretty good considering that, like, she just did it on a DSLR and I edited it on Final Cut Pro. Like it's it's cool, you know?
Killah Cortez: Yeah, that's right. You do. You've edited a bunch of your own videos, too.
Kylie Spence: I love that, though. Like so much for the Gazelle video. I co-directed it with Drew, who did the Highway 83 music video shout out Drew. But that I mean, yeah, I love I love being a part of all that. It's so soul feeding to me. Like, it literally makes me so happy.
Killah Cortez: So Gazelle has a video. Why don't you tell me a little bit about that?
Kylie Spence: Okay. So the Gazelle music video, I mean, because we've had this song done for quite some time, and I've always had I've always had this idea in my head. There's a couple there's a couple of shots, particularly where I was like, I know this has to be in the video. So I sat down with Drew and was like, Can we make this happen? And we did. And so there's a couple there's a couple of shots of me in a coffin, like being buried alive.
Killah Cortez: Scary.
Kylie Spence: Yeah. And then there's a couple of shots of me in a pond. And Greg. So, you know, Montana, like, the weather is just so bipolar here. So I think we filmed it October 17th, and granted, it was like sunny and beautiful. It was cold. Like, I think it got down to like 39 degrees at night. Oh, no, you got my water in a dress in the water, freezing my butt off. I actually I think I almost got hypothermia, but I was like, all for the footage. So it's I think I mean, I think the cool thing is, is I really, you know, Drew is so kind enough to, like, let me be a part of the process in a you know, from a directing way, if that makes sense. Just because I've had all these ideas just in the back of my head for so long. So to be able to like. You know, collaborate with someone who's open to sharing that space was just really special. It just I don't know, it gave me a more like, hands on approach. And I just I really I'm excited for this video. So. Yeah.
Killah Cortez: Amazing. I can't wait to see it.
Kylie Spence: Yeah.
Killah Cortez: So we've we worked on a lot of music together. Yes. Are there any Easter eggs you'd like to tell the listeners about?
Kylie Spence: So many? Oh, my God. Well, first of all, like for Gazelle, I've kind of been hinting at it over the last two years. I've. I had a little toy gazelle figurine and I've, like, had it in the back of, like a bunch of Instagram photos. And it was even in the Highway 83 music video. So I feel like a little bit of a Taylor Swift girl doing that, but obviously not as genius as her. But yeah, I think that and then I mean, there are so many songs where there's so many songs where like.
Killah Cortez: Oh, man, I mean, can we finally talk about Garden? Can we can we lift that one?
Kylie Spence: You talk about garden because I was going to talk about give me a reason.
Killah Cortez: I can't I won't talk about Garden. That's that's your story to tell.
Kylie Spence: Well, Garden. Um, are you talking about, like, the every flower part? Every.
Killah Cortez: We don't have. We don't have to talk about it.
Kylie Spence: No, we. I'm like. I actually want to know. Tell me.
Killah Cortez: Yeah, remember?.
Kylie Spence: About that part. Yeah. So basically, like, I. So the lyric originally was every fucking flower instead of every perfect flower. And I remember Greg was like, Kylie, come on. Just do it. And I was like, No, like my dad's going to kill me if I swear, because I think I was like, I was 17 or something and just a different person then. And so we, we kept the background vocal as every fucking flower. But then the, the main, the main vocal was every perfect flower. And so we were in when I was in Israel opening for Dennis. We were doing like our stage check or whatever. And they, you know, I was running tracks. And so the the girl who was running my tracks, you know, was playing the the BG vocals, the background vocals and all. You hear this throughout the whole entire, like, you know, every fucking flower. And my dad, he was there. He looks at me, he's like, What did you say? And it was like, Oh my God, I don't even know how to tell you right now. So that was that was something funny.
Killah Cortez: I remember that the same exact thing happened in what was it? It was like Frankfurt. And I remember I remember we played the track back and your mom was just having a good time in the back. And then that came up and she looked straight at you and she was like, No, no, no.
Kylie Spence: Yeah, I was just a baby back then. I think it's just.
Killah Cortez: Sorry fam, we were giving we were giving Kylie street cred
Kylie Spence: Yeah, exactly. But the other one I can think of is I think I already said the song name. So I guess like it's give me a reason. But we, we might have used some.
Killah Cortez: Give Me a Reason?
Kylie Spence: For this.
Killah Cortez: One. What do we do for Give Me A Reason?
Kylie Spence: Oh, we got. We did so much. bro, do you remember?
Killah Cortez: I don't think so. I mean, we used a bunch bunch of sounds, right?
Kylie Spence: We used some some audio recordings from certain people and just put some really heavy effects on there. And then. Yeah, I don't really know how how much else I can say without saying too much, so I'll leave it at that.
Killah Cortez: I like it. I like the Easter eggs. Okay. I got a few more questions left for you. What topic would you speak about if you were asked to give a TEDx talk on something outside of your main area of expertise?
Kylie Spence: Taylor Swift No.
Killah Cortez: This is my TED talk on Taylor Swift.
Kylie Spence: Honestly, I. I think maybe the spiritual side of things and like plant medicine and I just yeah, I'm, I'm passionate about it. And are you.
Killah Cortez: Still talking to that psychic?
Kylie Spence: Which one?
Killah Cortez: The phone psychic.
Kylie Spence: Oh, yeah. Her and I are friends. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She's. She's awesome. I mean, I think the cool thing is, is there are, you know, really cool people in my life for that purpose, and I get to be friends with them. Yeah. Um, and I think more than anything, that means that means more. You know what I mean? To, to not just have someone like, yeah, I'm like, you know, using, you know, like my therapist, Like we went to Hawaii together, Like, she's one of my, like, closest friends. And I, I love the fact that I get to have those relationships. So, yeah, I think just talking about, you know. That. I think that would be something I could probably do pretty well.
Killah Cortez: But I like that, Yeah. So what's next for Kylie Spence?
Kylie Spence: Well, I have I'm kind of in the process of trying to finish up a project, so maybe like an EP, maybe. I don't know. But I think hopefully getting that out there and then I, I really feel internally like you. I'm sure you felt this. Like I feel like every artist goes through this, but I feel like for the first time, honestly, in my career, my the vision that I have for my music is shifting so much. And obviously it's shifted in the past five years since I've been putting stuff out, but like, I've never felt like so much more of like a drive to really experiment more with production specifically. So I really want to, you know, just collaborate with more people and see what that looks like. I'm going to Nashville next week just to, you know, try to network with some people and see if I see if I like it in general. Mm hmm. I'm such a montana like I'm a sucker for Montana. But I think at some point, I don't know, maybe splitting my time between two places. But yeah, I think for me in the next year, you know, I really want to be a dream to tour again. You know, it'd be amazing to just keep collaborating with people, keep building my team, you know, just. Yeah, I. Yeah. Just enjoying the ride, I think.
Killah Cortez: Very cool. Where can people find you, Kylie?
Kylie Spence: Everywhere. You can find me Spotify, iTunes, Instagram, Facebook. I mean, it's all Kylie Spence, so hopefully it'll pop up. Hopefully you'll click on me and put the put the voice to the face, if that makes sense.
Killah Cortez: Awesome. Well, Kylie, thank you so much for coming on. You're one of my dearest friends and I'm so glad to have this conversation with you and, you know, be able to hopefully show a different side of you, a side that I get to see when we're writing or just hanging. And anyways, I. I can't wait to see what's next for you.
Kylie Spence: Thank you for having me. I mean, Greg, if anyone's listening, Greg is Greg is a real one. And yeah, I'm just grateful that we, you know, have the relationship. We do. And thank you for taking the time to ask me questions.
Killah Cortez: Heck, yeah. All right, cool. We'll catch you.
Kylie Spence: Bye
Killah Cortez: Once again, thank you to Kylie Spence for coming on the show. Everyone go stream Gazelle. It's one of my favorite songs that Kylie and I have crafted together. You can find other episodes of The Killah Cortez Show, listen to my music, or show your support by buying some merch over at KillahCortez.com Or you can find the links to all that in the description below. You can also show support for the show by giving us five stars on Spotify or a like and or comment on YouTube. Thank you for listening and until next time, adios!